ATP Epic Ignitions...

[Watty]

I have just received another lot of ATP Epic ignitions. These bad boys speak for themselves so I don't want to do the tough sell, but let you know there are six available.

If you want one, let me know ASAP as these will move fast and there is generally a bit of a wait on these as the demand is so high.

These ignitions do not include a programming cable, but I have a cable that I can send to you if you want to change things.

$420 plus postage...

Give me a call if you want one.

Cheers,

Watty

[OldSpice]

I'll take another 1.

[Ovey]

Best shit on the planet grab these baby s

[Watty]

Three left...

[laserman]

Hey!

whats the difference between the ATP ignitions and an MSD enhancer? are those better? Id by one if I knew what advantages they have...

G

[Watty]

The msd enhancer and the Atp epic are essentially the same thing. Both alter the timing curve and also allow you to set the rev limiter. This is where the similarities end.

The Enhancer provides a slightly hotter spark than a standard ignition and the timing curve is similar to stock but it is ramped up about 4 degrees across the rev range. The problem with this is that most people want as much hit and throttle response as they can get. The easiest way to do this is to up your compression and advance the timing. Most people will happily bump up the compression and use an Enhancer to get some more timing. Although the Enhancer does this, it holds too much advance from about 5k onwards (as does the oem ignition for that matter if you manually advance the timing with the stator) and in most cases causes detonation and ultimately piston failure.

The Epic allows you to program (via a pc) the exact curve you require for your engine. Say for example you are running 190psi compression...depending on the porting and other varying factors the ski should hit quite well. Add an Enhancer and it will hit even better. Hold the throttle wide for too long with a less than perfect tune and pump gas and your pistons probably won't last too long. In the same scenario, replace the Msd with the Epic and you have the ability to run more advance to make the ski hit well with good response and also back the timing off from 5k onwards so you don't melt pistons. Most riders won't be looking for on/off throttle hit from 5k onwards anyway, so that seems to be a good rpm to start dropping the timing down.

Another good thing about the Epic is that you can program two curves into it and select between them while riding with a switch. This is especially handy if you ate testing curves back to back. I tested a stock ski with the Epic running a stock replica curve and also the curve that was provided by Chris from Atp. Going from one curve to another was night and day. It was almost as if by flicking the switch, your ski was instantly ported, that's the kind of difference it makes.

I know there are a lot of guys out there (especially the freestyle folk) that would never want or think to install a programmable ignition but we are moving into a time where strokers and aftermarket cylinders seem to be common and a decent programmable ignition is cheap insurance and will also help you to get the best out of your big dollar engine. Let's be honest, who spends 4k on and engine and then says "yeah it goes well enough as it is, I don't need any more power". I don't know about you but I'm not happy unless my engines are running to their full potential. Otherwise, build a ported 760 and be happy with it.

On a final note...the Epic is flash programmable which means that any software updates or chances can be flashed directly to the units. You essentially have a computer rather than an ignition. Anyone that has used an Advent would know why this is such a good thing.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

Watty

[OldSpice]

Did you cut and paste this or do you have nothing to do at work today.

[RJG]

Ha. Watty your knowledge astounds me! Are you sure your not half Jap...?

Oldspice, can you buy me one?

[OldSpice]

Ha. Watty your knowledge astounds me! Are you sure your not half Jap...?

Oldspice, can you buy me one?

If you give me $550-

[laserman]

Hey sounds cool!

Id love to have one just to play with...

How can I pay for it?

Ive got the guys at AJSP building me a Rickter with a Xscream 865cc, maybe I might like to use that in my Rickter?

[wax]

A programmable ignition are an awesome thing and there is massive gains to be had if set up correctly
The more timing you have the sooner the power band hits till of course you have to much.
The fact you can pull timing out at the top lets you heat up the pipe and gives you over rev this allow the engine to keep pulling hard up and until you leave the tip of the wave.
No one ignition makes more power than the other if you have the same curve its the curve thats the key
You have only 5 choices if you look at the charging ignitions

1 stock: but boring and not much power available you, if you want it down low it has to much up top and you run the risk of sticking a piston
2 msd enhancer : well slightly better than above but not by a huge amount, very reliable

3 advent ignition : invest in a courier company to save money on freight returning them and stock up on starter Bendix

4 epic : programmable so you can set for each engine you want and so far seem to be very reliable, looks to be well supported

5 Vilder: no longer made and so not supported good in there day and if you had a good one stick with but getting hard to find

[luko]

my 2cents worth

prob one of the best upgrades ive done to my ski for the pricing
i got the first one i think that come here to oz and have put at least a good 60 -70 hours on it and hasnt missed a beat !watty and atp are very helpfull and knowledgable towards there product
also your tuning may need to be brought up to date with the new curve your running to really feel the full effect of the epic

[Watty]

Hey sounds cool!

Id love to have one just to play with...

How can I pay for it?

Ive got the guys at AJSP building me a Rickter with a Xscream 865cc, maybe I might like to use that in my Rickter?

I only deal in money. I find clams don't hold thier value and beans taste too good. Street cred has no monetary value, and it's all about how you use it, otherwise I would exchange an ignition for 50 odd points of the aforementioned street cred.

Seriously though, shoot me an e-mail....watty@rpcrew.com and we can get it sorted if you want one.

[d.i.l.l.i.g.a.f]

This ignition sounds interesting how does it compare to the inferno and is it available for three cylinders ?

[Watty]

I can't say how it compares as I haven't run the two back to back, but I don't think the Inferno is available anymore. I could be wrong though.

This ignition is only works with the Yamaha 650/701 based engines/ignition setup.